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Aalena
07-06-2004, 07:12 AM
Whether you want to see Bush in office again or like what Kerry is proposing, get involved! Below is a link to get involved with the John Kerry Campaign.




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This is a message posted on behalf a volunteer from the John Kerry Online Volunteer Center.

I want to invite you to join me as a volunteer on the John Kerry campaign. Our success on Election Day depends on having the largest grassroots movement in history. There are lots of ways you can help-- in the field or on the computer, but to participate you need to sign up as a volunteer today.

As a volunteer you will be given your own online account to plan or attend John Kerry events, recruit other volunteers, raise money and participate in many more exciting activities. You will also receive emails with the latest campaign news, insider updates, and critical action alerts.

Election Day is just around the corner. Be a part of the group that has put George Bush on the defensive. We cannot slow down now; John Kerry can win this election but he needs all of our help.


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Dreamlife
07-06-2004, 08:22 AM
http://www.georgewbush.com/GetActive/

Cant agree with Aalena more ;)

Tesfaye
07-06-2004, 09:29 AM
I vote for Clinton!

Aalena
07-06-2004, 02:58 PM
Thanks Dream.. I truly was going to post a link to the Bush campaign too!=p I was late for class! vote vote vote :)

Immar
07-06-2004, 06:32 PM
Ok, so I'm all for political discussion. But....as someone with such a great eye for visual art.....Aelena...... you should be ashamed of yourself for blowing the thread off the side of the page.

Gigglesworth
07-06-2004, 07:29 PM
LOL Immar

Dephton
07-06-2004, 08:52 PM
Ok, so I'm all for political discussion. But....as someone with such a great eye for visual art.....Aelena...... you should be ashamed of yourself for blowing the thread off the side of the page.
fixored

Prodigy
07-07-2004, 12:31 AM
Not like voting in Texas will make much of a difference. For what it's worth i'm Republican and wont be voting because I don't like Democrats but I don't like a President who so openly bases his decisions on domestic affairs with his religion.

There is something called basic human rights and the rest are up for grabs And I hate the Liberals with a passion for this so i have to hate religious fanitical conservatives. I think Bush did what needed to be done in both instances on Iraq and 9/11. He responeded like a leader of the nation the US should. I couldn't give a fuck what other countries think about us because they need us more then we need them. But I do care that a president based his decision on stem cell research after talking to religious leaders around the country. I care he uses religion as justification for various acts he does concerning legislation. I care that more increasingly this is becoming acceptable imposing religious morals on an ever increasing list of laws about how to raise your kids/ live your life / Telling me what to do even when I don't harm you. The list goes on.

For the record, I'll be pissed when Kerry wins because this country will become the stagnant piss hole of a legislation body it was when clinton was around. Bickering about everything -- finger pointing and nothing getting done. No welfare / No Finance / No medicare. Nothing will be resolved once kerry is elected. The white house can't tell congress to cut spending and it will happen. The Republicans still house the congress. The white house is powerless to do anything except aide congress in passing bills or block everythign coming out of it. Once kerry holds court nothing will pass. From an economist i'm telling you that the turn around in the economy from the "Recession" (Which really wasn't one) was an undeniable victory from a republican held congress and republican held white house. Could the democrats done the same thing if both sides were held? Personally I think not with the socialistic ideals they hold on to including the high taxation ideals. But i'm sure what needed to be done would have been done. Are we better off with Kerry? Hell no. Low job growth for the 4 years he's in office. Could the republican ticket have a better canidate. Hell yes.

The liberals will win this fight but are cutting off their nose to spite their face. A war that would have inevitably happened was done. And now they will have no Welfare reform / No Tax increases. / No nothing to speak of or hang their hat on and the next election they will blame the Republican congress. Nothing could be better for the american public then a one party house and congress at this moment. In the end, both parties are trying to to good for the american public.

Nothing good will come of this next year if Kerry is elected. We'll have a pussy president that will pussy foot around on the war and will get more americans killed. Like the Vietnam war when there was a policy change caused by the fucking hippies of the 60's that killed more men then needed (Noone thinks of that. The only thing touted was the power of a movment to change government policy). Should we be in Iraq, no. Now that we are there we can't change our policy midstride or we will loose more people. Fuck we have friends in this guild who are in the services and i'm not willing to see them die because john Kerry thinks he can be more diplomatic about things. We saw what that got us in the 70's.

Malystryx
07-07-2004, 01:18 AM
Vote Prod for President!

Dephton
07-07-2004, 07:31 AM
How much a president gets done while in office is directly related to the makeup of the house and senate.

Bush has had a republican majority house and senate through most, if not all of his term, so it makes getting things done much easier, even if that majority is not a 2/3

The downside to this benefit, is that if youre making overall shitty decisions, it stands out quite a bit. When Clinton was in office, it took a fuckload of time to get shit passed, but in general things that were passed weren't huge mistakes. I think this is exactly what the founding fathers had in mind when it came to the checks and balances involved in our government.

Regardless of who is president, having a governing body that can oppose his ideas when neccessary is a good thing overall.

Malinaa
07-07-2004, 09:19 AM
Political posts are the debil. Good post though, get involved.

Tegdain
07-07-2004, 09:28 AM
What do you all think of mandatory voting?

Amer
07-07-2004, 09:40 AM
Mandatory voting would never fly. Voting is a right here, not a requirement. Btw I've voted every possible time.

Dreamlife
07-07-2004, 09:41 AM
If someone does not care enough or is not capable of making an educated decision voluntarily then they should not have to vote.

"Oh since I have to vote. I'll just pick the cutest one..."

It would happen...

Synthia
07-07-2004, 10:17 AM
Dood, I just overheard 3 women at work today seriously talknig about how they're voting for Kerry now, b/c Edwards is cute....

With that thinking, how did Ross Perot not get elected???

Malystryx
07-07-2004, 10:49 AM
HAHA.. he didnt get voted in cause well, he's a small man .. and well... you know he's got small things.... :P

Aalena
07-07-2004, 11:56 AM
Retrospective voting!

To add to Dep's point... not only did he have the majority of the senate/house votes more than likely but he also had the power given to him when he had to deal with 9/11. That was an ENOURMOUS boost to his presidency since he was the President that had to exercise his Judiciary powers and lead us through that time of national crisis...
With that in mind it baffles me how he could undo that advantage in only a few years time!

Prod ya gotta vote! It's crappy that both candidates kinda suck retrospectively... but it's kinda been the growing trend in the past decade. Crappy candidates=/ There is still party platform and if ya agree with the Republican party platform.. vote with them!

Oh and... ((((IMMAR)))) Are you still playing CoH? I have a lvl 12(hehe- don't get to play much) Controller on Infinity if you and Ari and playin- lemme know!=)

Azuremenace
07-07-2004, 12:05 PM
what exactly is wrong with kerry?

only thing that made me lose respect for him is that he voted for the war. but we all know that democrats change their minds every 5 minutes.

Aalena
07-07-2004, 12:11 PM
Many European Democracies have 85% voting participation b/c of mandatory voting-- some of those countries are also given an entire day(a national holiday) to sit around and talk about the candiates and what they are proposing BEFORE they vote.

Voting is a right in American and a matter of free will, but the fact that less than 50% of the American public that are able to vote in the Presidential elections do(less than 40% vote on all other elections), is somewhat of a contradiction to our standard of democracy and the whole idea of voting as a right.

I think some do not vote b/c of what Dream says-- they don't know what to vote for b/c they are not informed. That is what a party platform is for. If nothing else, voting with the party platform you identify most with at least encourages consistency in our government and is somewhat of a "short cut" if you aren't a student like me and have the time to devote to reading up on a few of the details=p

Dephton
07-07-2004, 03:15 PM
what exactly is wrong with kerry?

only thing that made me lose respect for him is that he voted for the war. but we all know that democrats change their minds every 5 minutes.

they call him Lurch. He is just extraordinarily ambivalent about any issue brought forth to him. his stance is no stance, essentially. It's possible that perhaps he just wants to keep his thoughts and ideas somewhat to himself until the election looms closer, but that will just make it look like he is a flip flopper.

People want a guy with the charisma of clinton but the sexual drive of GW. I just don't see that happening at least until I'm 35 and can run myself.

Gromikon
07-08-2004, 12:05 AM
When it comes to politics, here are the things that I believe:

1) I believe that there should be no such thing as the professional politician. We need to vote out all incubants to truely capture the voice of the people through the representative.

2) I believe that the Presidency should be a single 6 year term. As it is now a President can only really work for two years, because the second two years of his term is all focused on getting re-elected. If he gets re-elected the last two years of his term are spent bolstering "the party" and trying to build a legacy. The job isn't about being in the history books guys, it's about working on improving the condition of our country and its citizens.

3) I believe no politician should do something for the "better of the party" but instead for the better of the country. You didn't get elected to support the republicans or democrats you asshole, you got elected to be a voice of the people.

It's a very short list but it sums up most if not all my opinions on politicians. Since politicians drive politics, see above.

Oh yeah, I'm also sick of always having to make the choice of who isn't the evil of two lessers.