i know you're sick of it but

[Kowaru]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/images/0429-05.jpg

i assume she's inside as her hat is off. but wtf is she doing smoking a cigaret at the same time? do these people have no shame??


but seriously i mean, so much hate for those people in the pictures. if you have ever been to boot camp you will remember, if someone fucks up, you all suffer. thats the deal with this. those in charge, that general that persons's chain of command will suffer the wrath of remsfeld. even he should suffer. he's the secretary of something or other. all the way up to the top, thats right president bush!

the rapeing of the prisoners and toreture and what have you of the prisoners, yeah it sucks. but to say thats un-american? why do we allow people to carry weapons in some states as protection, protection from what? why do women fear the dark parking lots when walking to their car? that is america. we have alot of crime rape muggings car jackings, we have alot of criminals in america. that is america. but not everyone is like that. we base our entertainment off what is america. CSI, law and order, etc. that is america. gay football players that sodomize the younger kids, that is america. hazing is amerca, its torture is it not?

just because its something we've done, doesn't mean its something we will do...err yeah ok i ripped that line off. but the point is, we're all human. we all make mistakes. we all put on our pants the same way when we get up in the morning. well except those prisoners, they dont get to wear any clothes HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH.

oh come on that was a good one.

ok what this post was really about, is that those in charge just need to say, ok we're not perfect we'll give you back your prisoners, we'll take our soldiers out of the new "free iraq" and call this conflict off (as the war is already over), just give us 80% of your oil and 95% of your opium farms, and we'll call it even. oh whats that? what would america want with opium? well i guess the cats out of the bag.

[Tsarina]

Rumsfeld should resign, and those responsible properly punished. Not told to have a laugh with their friends about it with a slap on the wrist.

[Diaf]

Kow why post this shit and post the inchoherent rant you made, seriously you might want to lay off the crack.

Tsa you can just stfu since I have not told you that inawhile,,, (although Rumsfeld should be canned, but this is the least of the reasons why.

[Dreamlife]

Bitch all you want about what happened it wasn't cool. We all know it. It's not an American thing to do. If the lowest member of the armed forces commits a crime it doesn't go all the way to washington for punishment. Its stops where it ends. With the last person that knew about it while it was going on.

Maybe instead of using unbalanced political opinions you should actually wait and find out what happened, who did it, if anyone told them to do it then act like a rational human being and decide what thier punishment will be. Or shall we regress back in time and send a lynch mob to kill the closest non caucasion to the crime just because they were in line of sight when the body was found. May as well. You're asking for an execution with a trial or even a shred of proof.

Meanwhile the Iraqi's are protesting. (http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/10/22/iraq.protest/)

To bad none of the self righteous around the world, while bitching about whats already being dealt with, actually took the time to notice that Iraqi's got to protest without thier government opening fire on them for it...

Thats right. No matter how many American soldiers die doing no end of good all over the world noone ever says thank you to them for dieing so they can protest, or gets angry when they die. But when anything goes wrong the shit hits the fan and people everywhere are up in arms.

The fact that people think like you do disgusts me.


If you don't like the climate in your own country. The exit isn't locked. Well at least not for some of us.

[Dreamlife]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119053,00.html

Was wrong link above. Forgive me I was holding back my retch...

Hard to find the right one too... Sad noone cares about the good stuff.

[Dephton]

links to foxnews dont count as news.

[Kowaru]

uhh what did i say i hated america? i said america is violent and crap like that isn't a rare thing. why do you think our prisons are so over packed? people fuck up all the time. if you put asaid your biased hate against me things might be a little more clear. i really didn't think i was picking a side either. i was defending what we did. and yes everyone suffers because of this because it looks horrendously bad. and its overblown by everyone, just like janet jacksons nipple. really you need to stop misreading stuff.

rape goes on in our OWN prisons, prisoners ARE abused, you can deny it all you want, but all of a sudden if the same abuse happens to people of another country, OMFG. have a little common sense.

Operation Iraq Liberation = O.I.L.



edit: and that thing about it going all the way up the chain of command, sarcasm, who the fuck is going to place the blame on the president? sick fucks. i personally dont agree with that sort of thing, because its so easy to blame others and those above you. unless of course they were ordered, then thats a whole different story.

[Dephton]

i blame norl

[Lyli]

It's not an American thing to do.
Fuck that. It wasn't the right thing to do no matter what your nationality. It simply amazes me how inhumane some humans are. How can anyone regardless of race, religion, sex, [insert other diversities here] do that to another living being?

I don't understand people, never will. Kow is right though. It wasn't an American thing to do? That shit happens in America every day. Women are raped, men are raped, people are killed, beaten - by other Americans.

Before anyone starts showing the door out of America, open your eyes. America offers freedom and a great way of life (for some), but it isn't some perfect paradise either.

Point being, it shouldn't have happened, American or not.

[Ranum]

i blame norl

[Tegdain]

Should have sent them all to Guantanamo (http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1163435,00.html) they obviously treat them well there.

[Tegdain]

An interesting article from http://www.weeklystandard.com (http://www.weeklystandard.com/):
Free the Iraqi Press!
The last thing they need in Baghdad is another statist medium.
by Stephen Schwartz (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/072kcdat.asp?pg=1)

[Kelvinn]

i assume she's inside as her hat is off.
For the longest time I thought that was a guy until someone on the news said "she"...

[Malinaa]

Her friends and family say she isn't guilty, that we arent seeing the whole picture. Also, in some of those pics, you see soldiers going along their normal business. How come no one reported this? Looks like a total break down in the chain of command. The biggest problem with the chain of command in this problem, isnt the actions of the soldiers, cause that stuff happens. But the way they handled this. They tried to keep it underwraps and just slap wrists of ppl involved. A prisoner was killed and the man found guilty was demoted to a PVT and kicked out of the military. Since, the Iraqi govt has absolutely no jurisdiction to prosecute any americans, contractors or anyone working for American companies, they can't even procsecute him like local authorities can in the United States or other countries. (kind of like those occasional rapes in Okinawa by idiotic Marines and Sailors)

I like Rush Limbaugh saying that this was part of the torture they set up to help soften the prisoners. I will go out and defend my political affiliations, but wtf. Rush needs to take some more oxycoton(sp) and STFU.

[Azuremenace]

you seem pretty well-informed malinaa, were you in the armed forces yourself?

[Malinaa]

Yeah, Marines Corps. Dream was a Sailor =P